CENTRAL OREGON · GOLF
Central Oregon golf, by the architects who built it.
27 named courses. McLay Kidd, Nicklaus, Fazio, RTJ Jr, Weiskopf, Fought. 3,600 feet of elevation. 300 days of sunshine. The eight worth flying in for, the season window that beats Bandon, and the back-nine views you don't get anywhere else.
Why here
High desert, lava terrain, and 3,600 feet of elevation.
Central Oregon golf does not play like the Willamette Valley, and it does not play like the desert Southwest. Three things make it its own.
The geology. Pronghorn's par-3 #8 plays over a 45-foot canyon with an exposed lava tube. Aspen Lakes' bunkers are filled with red cinders the Cyrus family crushed from their own volcanic stone. The Crooked River cuts across Meadow Lakes four times. The terrain writes the shots.
The climate. 300 days of sunshine, low humidity, cool nights. Even in July the morning round is sweater weather. The high-desert dry hardens the fairways mid-summer and the ground game opens up. Links rules in the high desert.
The elevation. 3,500-3,800 feet across the playing field. The ball carries about 8 percent further than it does at sea level. Yardage maps for Bandon Dunes do not apply here. Bring a half-club less.
The eight worth the trip
If you only play eight, play these.
Ranked by name-architect pedigree, course conditioning, and the views from the tee. Three are at Sunriver and Black Butte Ranch. Two are at Pronghorn. One is a private Fazio you'll need a member to walk you on. The Cascade backdrop runs through all eight.
- 01
Tetherow Golf Club
McLay Kidd links-style design with Cascade panoramas. Ranked #57 USA by Golf Digest. Same architect as Bandon Dunes and the St Andrews Castle Course.
- 02
Pronghorn Nicklaus Signature Course
Oregon's only Jack Nicklaus signature design. Public access. Dramatic lava outcroppings and ancient juniper.
- 03
Pronghorn Tom Fazio Championship Course
Famous par-3 #8: a 45-foot canyon with an exposed lava tube. One of the most photographed holes in the Pacific NW. Private.
- 04
Sunriver Resort — Crosswater
Golf Digest Top 100. Pine forests, wetlands, Cascade peaks. Resort guests and Crosswater Club members.
- 05
Black Butte Ranch — Glaze Meadow
John Fought rebuilt the course in 2012. Considered by many the most iconic course in Central Oregon.
- 06
Black Butte Ranch — Big Meadow
7,000+ yards from championship tees. Towering ponderosa and expansive fairways below Black Butte itself.
- 07
Brasada Canyons
Five tee sets, 4,722-7,295 yards. "Best 18 views in the state." Members, resort guests, and accompanied guests.
- 08
Aspen Lakes Golf Course
Family-owned. Distinctive red-cinder sand bunkers — the Cyrus family crushed their own volcanic cinders for them.
Every course on one map
Public, resort, private, municipal.
Public courses, resort courses, private clubs, and municipals, color-coded by access. Click a pin for designer, year, holes, and the community it sits in.
Interactive map loading. Course list below.
Public (8)
- Pronghorn NicklausBend (NE) · Jack Nicklaus
- Aspen LakesSisters · William Overdorf
- Widgi CreekBend · Robert Muir Graves
- River's EdgeBend · Robert Muir Graves
- Lost TracksBend · Brian Whitcomb
- Quail RunLa Pine · Jim Ramey
- Crooked River RanchTerrebonne · Bunny Mason & Jim Ramey
- The GreensRedmond · Robert Muir Graves
Resort guests (9)
- Sunriver MeadowsSunriver · John Fought (2008 renovation)
- Sunriver WoodlandsSunriver · Robert Trent Jones Jr.
- Caldera LinksSunriver / Caldera Springs · Bob Cupp & Jim Ramey
- Big MeadowSisters · Robert Muir Graves
- Glaze MeadowSisters · John Fought (2012 renovation)
- Brasada CanyonsPowell Butte · Jim Hardy & Peter Jacobsen
- Eagle Crest ResortRedmond · Gene "Bunny" Mason
- Eagle Crest RidgeRedmond · John Thronson & Bunny Mason
- Eagle Crest ChallengeRedmond · John Thronson
Private (4)
- Pronghorn FazioBend (NE) · Tom Fazio
- Bend Golf ClubBend · H. Chandler Egan & Bob Baldock
- Broken TopBend · Tom Weiskopf & Jay Morrish
- Awbrey GlenBend · Gene "Bunny" Mason
Municipal (3)
- JuniperRedmond · John Harbottle III
- Meadow LakesPrineville · Bill Robinson
- Desert PeaksMadras · City of Madras
Semi-private (2)
- TetherowBend · David McLay Kidd
- CrosswaterSunriver · Robert E. Cupp & John Fought
Who designed what
By architect.
Same 30 courses, grouped by the designer who routed them. The Pacific NW does not have another concentration of national-name architects like this.
Gene "Bunny" Mason5 courses
Designed five Central Oregon courses across two decades. Eagle Crest Resort + Ridge + Challenge, Awbrey Glen, and the front nine at Crooked River Ranch.
Eagle Crest ResortEagle Crest RidgeEagle Crest ChallengeCrooked River RanchAwbrey Glen
Also known for: Sunset Grove (Forest Grove), McKenzie River GC
Robert Muir Graves4 courses
San Francisco-based, prolific in the Pacific NW. Five Central Oregon courses bear his routing — Big Meadow, Widgi Creek, River's Edge, and the front + back of The Greens at Redmond.
Big MeadowWidgi CreekRiver's EdgeThe Greens
Also known for: Half Moon Bay Old Course (renovation), Tilden Park (renovation)
Robert E. Cupp & John Fought3 courses
↗A working partnership that delivered Crosswater, then split. Cupp continued with Jim Ramey on Caldera Links and Quail Run. Fought went on to renovate Glaze Meadow and Sunriver Meadows.
CrosswaterCaldera LinksQuail Run
Also known for: Pumpkin Ridge (Witch Hollow + Ghost Creek)
John Fought2 courses
↗1977 US Amateur champion. As an architect, the rare designer who renovates as carefully as he builds new — his 2012 rework of Glaze Meadow is the reason it sits in the destination eight.
Sunriver MeadowsGlaze Meadow
Also known for: Pumpkin Ridge, The Reserve Vineyards South Course, Langdon Farms
David McLay Kidd1 course
↗Scottish-born links specialist. Returned American golf design to firm-and-fast, ground-game-friendly playing surfaces.
Tetherow
Also known for: Bandon Dunes, St Andrews Castle Course, Mammoth Dunes (Sand Valley)
Jack Nicklaus1 course
↗18 major championships. His signature design work spans over 300 courses worldwide. Pronghorn Nicklaus is the only signature Nicklaus in Oregon.
Pronghorn Nicklaus
Also known for: Muirfield Village, PGA West Stadium, Cabo del Sol Ocean Course
Tom Fazio1 course
↗America's most prolific Top-100 architect. Known for using dramatic native terrain — at Pronghorn that means lava tubes and ancient juniper.
Pronghorn Fazio
Also known for: Shadow Creek, Sand Ridge, Wade Hampton
Photo: Cem0030 (Wikimedia Commons) · CC-BY-SA
Robert Trent Jones Jr.1 course
↗Second-generation course architect; over 270 courses across 40+ countries. The Woodlands at Sunriver opened in 1981 and still plays as Jones designed it.
Sunriver Woodlands
Also known for: Chambers Bay (2015 US Open), Poppy Hills, The Prince Course at Princeville
Photo: Pgjansson (Wikimedia Commons) · PD
Tom Weiskopf & Jay Morrish1 course
↗1973 Open champion turned course architect; partnered with Morrish through the mid-1990s. Broken Top was one of their late collaborations.
Broken Top
Also known for: Loch Lomond, TPC Scottsdale Stadium, Forest Highlands
John Harbottle III1 course
Pacific NW architect known for building strategic, playable munis. Juniper in Redmond is widely ranked Best Municipal in Oregon.
Juniper
Also known for: Wine Valley (Walla Walla), Stevinson Ranch
Jim Hardy & Peter Jacobsen1 course
Tour-pro-and-coach pairing. Jacobsen brings the player's eye for shot variety; Hardy brings the architectural rigor. Brasada Canyons is widely cited as their best mountain-desert work.
Brasada Canyons
Also known for: Genoa Lakes Resort, Tetherow (early routing consultation)
William Overdorf1 course
Oregon-based architect. Aspen Lakes was a multi-phase build: front nine 1996, back nine 2000. The Cyrus family commissioned and still owns the course.
Aspen Lakes
Also known for: Crooked River Ranch (renovation)
Brian Whitcomb1 course
Former PGA of America president. Owner-designed Lost Tracks on his own land south of Bend; the old railroad-dining-car bridge on hole 16 is the most photographed feature.
Lost Tracks
H. Chandler Egan & Bob Baldock1 course
↗Egan was a Pebble Beach renovator and Oregon's first national golf figure. He routed the back nine at Bend Golf Club in 1925. Bob Baldock added the front nine in 1973.
Bend Golf Club
Also known for: Pebble Beach (Egan, 1929 renovation)
Bill Robinson1 course
Designed Meadow Lakes in 1993 as both a top-3 Oregon municipal AND the city of Prineville's wastewater-disposal infrastructure — a Crooked River discharge solution Robinson built into the routing.
Meadow Lakes
When to play
Short, intense, and dry.
The Central Oregon golf year is short and intense. The destination courses open in late March. June is the value play. September is the locals' favorite. Two courses run year-round when the weather allows.
January
41°/ 22°
Mostly closed
Eagle Crest Ridge and Meadow Lakes are the year-round options if a thaw window opens. Bring the all-weather glove.
February
46°/ 25°
Mostly closed
Same year-round shortlist as January. Tee times widely available; play before 2pm to beat the freeze.
March
52°/ 28°
Shoulder rates
Most of the high-desert public courses begin opening in late March. River's Edge and Widgi Creek typically first.
April
59°/ 32°
Shoulder rates
Tetherow opens. Glaze Meadow opens. Greens are slower, conditioning still ramping. Shoulder-rate prices.
May
66°/ 37°
Shoulder rates
Every destination course is open. Bunkers still occasionally soft. Beat the summer rates before Memorial Day.
June
74°/ 42°
Prime month
The play of the year. Dry fairways, long daylight, shoulder rates at most courses through mid-June.
July
84°/ 47°
High season
High-season rates in full effect. Tee off before 8am or after 4pm — the afternoons run hot and the smoke season starts late month.
August
84°/ 47°
High season
Smoke from regional fires can interrupt play. AirNow.gov before you commit. Cooler resort-course mornings.
September
75°/ 39°
Prime month
Many locals' favorite month. Crowds thin after Labor Day, weather holds, larch trees start their gold turn at Black Butte.
October
62°/ 32°
Late season
Shoulder rates return mid-October. Aerification windows hit some courses; check before booking. Last reliable month for Brasada and Crosswater.
November
48°/ 27°
Late season
Most resort courses close by mid-November. Eagle Crest Ridge and Meadow Lakes stay open weather-permitting.
December
41°/ 23°
Mostly closed
Same year-round shortlist. Cheap rates, midday-only play, frost-delay common.
Temperature data: NOAA Bend Airport (KBDN) climate normals, 1991-2020.
Insider notes
The seven things the directories don’t tell you.
Verifiable facts that only locals carry. Each note traces to a primary source, a course history page, a city public-works archive, or a published architectural profile.
- A railroad dining car serves as a bridge on hole 16.
Lost Tracks is owned by Brian Whitcomb, a past president of the PGA of America. He bought the land partly because of the abandoned rail bed running across the property. The old dining car that crosses the wash on 16 is the most photographed feature on a course full of them.
Lost TracksSource: Lost Tracks Golf Club site - Aspen Lakes's bunkers are red. They are not painted.
The Cyrus family crushed their own volcanic cinders from a quarry on the family property to fill every bunker on the course. The color is unique in American golf. Pack a brush — the cinders behave like sand but mark golf balls faster.
Aspen LakesSource: Aspen Lakes course page · Bend Bulletin 2011 profile - Meadow Lakes Golf Course is also the city of Prineville's wastewater treatment system.
The course opened in 1993 as part of a state-mandated solution to Crooked River discharge fines. The lakes and irrigation grids handle effluent. The result: a top-3 municipal in Oregon that pays for itself.
Meadow LakesSource: City of Prineville public works archives - The most photographed hole in the Pacific NW sits inside a private club.
Pronghorn Fazio's par-3 #8 plays across a 45-foot natural canyon with an exposed lava tube. It is the cover shot on every Oregon golf editorial. The course is private; if you want to play it, you need a member to walk you on.
Pronghorn FazioSource: Juniper Preserve / Pronghorn official course-tour page - Hole #5 at Crooked River Ranch plays across a corner of a real canyon.
A 220-yard carry over the Crooked River Canyon corner. Public, $25-$55 green fees, no resort gates. One of the cheapest "wow" holes in American golf.
Crooked River RanchSource: Crooked River Ranch GC course-tour page - No two holes at Brasada Canyons run parallel.
Hardy and Jacobsen designed the routing for solitude — every fairway feels like the only fairway on the property. Combined with the panoramic terrain east of Bend, the rounds play slower than the scorecard suggests.
Brasada CanyonsSource: Pacific NW Golf Association architectural profile - The oldest course in Central Oregon is older than the talkies.
Bend Golf Club's back nine was routed by H. Chandler Egan in 1925, a decade before the front nine was added. Egan also renovated Pebble Beach for the 1929 US Amateur. Bend Golf Club is private; the course has hosted the Oregon Open, the Northwest Open, the Oregon Amateur, and the PNGA Women's Amateur.
Bend Golf ClubSource: Bend Golf Club course-history page · Pebble Beach Egan profile
FAQ
Things people actually ask.
Answers built from the course inventory, the architect grouping, and the season calendar above. Every answer is specific. Every figure traces.
Which Central Oregon course is the best for a first-time visitor?
Tetherow if you want links-style firm-and-fast on Cascade backdrops; Pronghorn Nicklaus if you want the high-desert juniper-and-lava experience; Brasada Canyons if you want isolation and 18 panoramic views. All three are public-access and represent the three distinct visual styles you get in this region.
Which Central Oregon courses are open year-round?
Eagle Crest Ridge in Redmond, Meadow Lakes in Prineville, and River's Edge in Bend stay open through the winter when conditions allow. Frost delays are common; expect midday-only play November through March.
Can I play Crosswater without staying at Sunriver Resort?
Crosswater is reserved for Sunriver Resort guests and Crosswater Club members. The path to play it is either a resort booking that includes a golf reservation, or a member who can walk you on. There is no published "public day."
What is the most photographed hole in Central Oregon?
Two contenders. Pronghorn Fazio's par-3 #8 plays across a 45-foot natural canyon with an exposed lava tube — but the Fazio is private. Crooked River Ranch's #5 plays over a corner of the Crooked River Canyon and is public, $25-$55. If you want the shot for yourself, drive to Terrebonne.
Which Central Oregon course has the lowest green fees?
Quail Run in La Pine at $25-$55 is the published low. Aspen Lakes ranges $20-$75 depending on tee window. The published bands change every season — always confirm with the course before booking.
Which Central Oregon golf community is best if I want to live in it for under $1 million?
Eagle Crest in Redmond — condos start in the $300Ks and the three courses are public-access for residents. Parts of Sunriver also fit under $1M for cabin-sized inventory near the Meadows or Woodlands courses. The mainline destination communities — Tetherow, Pronghorn, Brasada Ranch — start above $1M for a finished home.
How many holes of golf does Central Oregon have inside resort communities?
Roughly 270 holes spread across 14 named courses inside our resort-communities registry: Sunriver (63 holes across four courses), Eagle Crest (54 across three), Black Butte Ranch (45 including the putting course), Pronghorn (36), Brasada (18), Tetherow (18), Crosswater (18), Caldera Links (9). The other 14 destination-area courses sit outside HOA boundaries.
When does Central Oregon golf season start and end?
Late March to early November for most public and resort courses. Tetherow and Glaze Meadow typically open in April. Pronghorn opens in late March or April depending on snowpack. Brasada and Crosswater hold through October. Eagle Crest Ridge and Meadow Lakes run year-round when conditions allow.
How much further does the golf ball carry at Central Oregon's elevation?
Roughly 8 percent further than at sea level. The destination courses sit between 3,500 and 3,800 feet. Bring a half-club less than your sea-level yardages would suggest. Plan for the morning rounds to play longer — colder air, less carry.
Which Central Oregon course was designed by Jack Nicklaus?
Pronghorn's Nicklaus Signature Course is the only Jack Nicklaus signature design in Oregon. Public access since the resort rebranded. Tom Fazio designed the Fazio course at the same property; that one is private.
The full lookup
Every course, side by side.
Designer, year, holes, par, yardage, city, access. The full lookup table for green-fee research. Per-course rates omitted. We publish what we can verify from the course's own site, and rate cards change.
| Course | City | Holes | Par | Yards | Designer | Year | Access |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Aspen Lakes Golf Course | Sisters | 18 | 72 | 7,302 | William Overdorf | 1996 | Public |
| Awbrey Glen Golf Club | Bend | 18 | 72 | 7,002 | Gene "Bunny" Mason | 2003 | Private |
| Bend Golf Club | Bend | 18 | 72 | 7,000 | H. Chandler Egan & Bob Baldock | 1925 | Private |
| Black Butte Ranch — Big Meadow | Sisters | 18 | 72 | 7,002 | Robert Muir Graves | 1972 | Resort access |
| Black Butte Ranch — Glaze Meadow | Sisters | 18 | 72 | 7,007 | John Fought (2012 renovation) | 1980 | Resort access |
| Brasada Canyons | Powell Butte | 18 | 72 | 7,295 | Jim Hardy & Peter Jacobsen | 2007 | Resort access |
| Broken Top Club | Bend | 18 | 72 | 7,161 | Tom Weiskopf & Jay Morrish | 1993 | Private |
| Crooked River Ranch Golf Course | Terrebonne | 18 | 71 | 5,818 | Bunny Mason & Jim Ramey | 1979 | Public |
| Desert Peaks Golf Club | Madras | 9 | 36 | 3,231 | City of Madras | 1980 | Municipal |
| Eagle Crest Resort — Challenge Course | Redmond | 18 | 63 | — | John Thronson | 1995 | Resort access |
| Eagle Crest Resort — Resort Course | Redmond | 18 | 72 | 6,673 | Gene "Bunny" Mason | 1986 | Resort access |
| Eagle Crest Resort — Ridge Course | Redmond | 18 | 71 | 6,927 | John Thronson & Bunny Mason | 1993 | Resort access |
| Juniper Golf Course | Redmond | 18 | 72 | 7,200 | John Harbottle III | 2005 | Municipal |
| Lost Tracks Golf Club | Bend | 18 | 72 | 7,003 | Brian Whitcomb | 1996 | Public |
| Meadow Lakes Golf Course | Prineville | 18 | 72 | 6,841 | Bill Robinson | 1993 | Municipal |
| Pronghorn Nicklaus Signature Course | Bend (NE) | 18 | 72 | 7,379 | Jack Nicklaus | 2003 | Public |
| Pronghorn Tom Fazio Championship Course | Bend (NE) | 18 | 72 | 7,470 | Tom Fazio | 2007 | Private |
| Quail Run Golf Course | La Pine | 18 | 72 | 6,859 | Jim Ramey | 1991 | Public |
| River's Edge Golf Course | Bend | 18 | 72 | 6,647 | Robert Muir Graves | 1987 | Public |
| Sunriver Resort — Caldera Links | Sunriver / Caldera Springs | 9 | 27 | — | Bob Cupp & Jim Ramey | 2007 | Resort access |
| Sunriver Resort — Crosswater | Sunriver | 18 | 72 | 7,683 | Robert E. Cupp & John Fought | 1995 | Semi-private |
| Sunriver Resort — Meadows | Sunriver | 18 | 71 | 7,012 | John Fought (2008 renovation) | 1981 | Resort access |
| Sunriver Resort — Woodlands | Sunriver | 18 | 72 | 6,932 | Robert Trent Jones Jr. | 1981 | Resort access |
| Tetherow Golf Club | Bend | 18 | 72 | 7,298 | David McLay Kidd | 2008 | Semi-private |
| The Greens at Redmond | Redmond | 18 | 58 | — | Robert Muir Graves | 1995 | Public |
| Widgi Creek Golf Club | Bend | 18 | 72 | 6,905 | Robert Muir Graves | 1989 | Public |
How often will you actually play?
Stay-and-play, or own-and-play?
One to three weekends a year, the resort package is the right call. Eight rounds or more, the math leans the other way. Run your number against the side-by-side.
Stay-and-play
5 resort weekends a year
Peak nightly$400
Nights / trip3
Trips / year5
Lodging only$6,000
Add green fees, cart, range balls, and dinner. Real landed cost lands at $9,000 to $12,000 a year. Cleanest math if your home course is somewhere else and you fly in to play 12 to 18 rounds total.
Own-and-play
Cabin near a course you love
Entry price$300K-$500K
Monthly carrying$2,500-$3,500
Rounds you can playUnlimited
Annual carrying$30K-$42K
The carrying cost above is net of the mortgage interest you would have paid on resort nights, and the appreciation offset is real once you hold three or four years.
Where you fall on this depends on rounds per year, what you want the non-golf time to look like, and whether the rest of the family comes. If the rental math wins for you, the rental math wins. If you want a per-community spreadsheet against your usage, ask.
If you fell in love with one of them
Where to live next to each course.
Twelve of the courses above sit inside a residential community. Each card carries the course you play, the priciest active listing today, and the 12-month inventory pulse.
Tetherow
You play McLay Kidd. Mt Bachelor is 20 minutes up the road for the ski-day chasers.
- TetherowDavid McLay Kidd
Top active listing
$4.25M
$1,700,000Median 12mo
28Active
31Sold 12mo
Pronghorn / Juniper Preserve
You play Nicklaus. The Fazio is next door if you can get a member to walk you on.
- Pronghorn NicklausJack Nicklaus
- Pronghorn FazioTom Fazio
Top active listing
$2.65M
$2,050,000Median 12mo
11Active
7Sold 12mo
Crosswater
Gated Sunriver enclave wrapped around the Cupp/Fought top-100. Member-only access stays that way.
- CrosswaterRobert E. Cupp & John Fought
Top active listing
$2.29M
$2,500,000Median 12mo
1Active
1Sold 12mo
Sunriver
You get four courses, Meadows, Woodlands, Crosswater, Caldera Links, plus 33 miles of paved bike paths.
- Sunriver MeadowsJohn Fought (2008 renovation)
- Sunriver WoodlandsRobert Trent Jones Jr.
$870,000Median 12mo
53Active
117Sold 12mo
Caldera Springs
Cabin lifestyle inside Sunriver. Caldera Links 9-hole short course at the door, the lodge a walk away.
- Caldera LinksBob Cupp & Jim Ramey
Top active listing
$3.00M
$1,802,000Median 12mo
22Active
34Sold 12mo
Black Butte Ranch
Two championship courses (Big Meadow + Glaze Meadow) plus a putting course, all under the Three Sisters.
- Big MeadowRobert Muir Graves
- Glaze MeadowJohn Fought (2012 renovation)
Top active listing
$2.79M
$1,025,000Median 12mo
27Active
40Sold 12mo
Brasada Ranch
Hardy & Jacobsen 18 with no two holes parallel. 25 minutes east of Bend, 300 days of sunshine.
- Brasada CanyonsJim Hardy & Peter Jacobsen
Top active listing
$5.95M
$1,392,000Median 12mo
33Active
27Sold 12mo
Eagle Crest
Three courses including the Ridge, the longest playing season in Central Oregon. Public access for residents.
- Eagle Crest ResortGene "Bunny" Mason
- Eagle Crest RidgeJohn Thronson & Bunny Mason
- Eagle Crest ChallengeJohn Thronson
Top active listing
$1.50M
$865,000Median 12mo
54Active
89Sold 12mo
Widgi Creek
Locals' favorite public 18 on the way to Mt Bachelor. PNW's top pickleball complex shares the property.
- Widgi CreekRobert Muir Graves
$1,268,000Median 12mo
7Active
7Sold 12mo
Broken Top
You play Weiskopf. Gated, capped at 395 golf members, with a six-acre trout lake on property.
- Broken TopTom Weiskopf & Jay Morrish
Top active listing
$3.15M
$1,525,000Median 12mo
17Active
45Sold 12mo
Awbrey Glen
Private Bunny Mason 18 with a 5-hole par-3 practice course. Walkable from the north side of Bend.
- Awbrey GlenGene "Bunny" Mason
Top active listing
$1.59M
$1,200,000Median 12mo
9Active
21Sold 12mo
Thinking about a golf-community home in Central Oregon?
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